ma a Barcellona.......ecco i CRT (EDIT)

[enjoyash]

non doveva uscire la entry list degli iscritti alla Motogp/Moto1 2012 compresi i team CRT, quelli che avranno la 1000 con motore di serie e più benzina?

ecco mi pareva fosse sfuggita..su nessun sito italiano ho trovato notizie...

breve ricerca on line e...

The long-awaited list of entries for the MotoGP class in 2012 has been delayed. The list of new entries to the class was expected to be released at the Catalunya MotoGP round, but the list has been delayed while the MSMA, Dorna and IRTA are discussing a clarification to the claiming rule.

The problem was raised by a number of the teams who have submitted an entry. Speaking to MotoMatters.com, IRTA General Secretary Mike Trimby explained that the problems revolve around the price and the status of the engines used by the claiming rule teams. The factories are allowed to claim engines used by the Claiming Rule Teams for a price of 20,000 euros, but the new teams applying for CRT status have raised two objections to this issue.

The first is that in many cases, the simple material costs in a CRT engine exceed the 20,000 euro price tag paid by the factories, irrespective of the R&D costs involved. Just buying or producing the parts to replace the engine would cost more than the team would have received from the factory doing the claiming.

The other problem is that some teams will not actually own the engines they are using. Some teams will be leasing engines from engine builders, and therefore will simply not have the legal right to sell the engine.

As a result, Dorna and IRTA are locked in negotiations with the MSMA over revising the claiming rules to accommodate these situations. One avenue being explored is to allow a claiming rule team to change their status from CRT to factory team (meaning that they get 9 engines per season and 21 liters of fuel per race, instead of 12 engines and 24 liters) once a claim has been made, which would allow them to avoid handing over the engine to the MSMA member claiming it. Other options also being explored include putting in place extra criteria before an engine can be claimed, and taking another look at the price the engine can be claimed for.

Trimby said that he expected the issue to be resolved over this weekend and the upcoming Silverstone round, with a list of teams to be released at some time during the Silverstone MotoGP race next weekend.

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[enjoyash]

mi sa che l'inglese qui lo conosciamo in 2

[Teobecks]

Ma che gli frega a Don Carmelo se nessuno è interessato a una cosa del genere...si prende la SBK, la riduce come è adesso la MotoGP e festa finita per tutti

[Nemek]

che il regolamnto fosse una vaccata era risaputo

Dovevano risollevare il numero delle moto in griglia ma mi pare sempre peggio

Fiuriamoci se un team entra come CRT, se rischia di essere competitivo gli tolgono lo status, 6 motori e 3 litri di benzina.

Inoltre la storia del motore che puo essere acquistato a 20000 euro, praticamente è solo una rimessa, e tutto per arrivare ultimo

Parlano solo di 2-3 moto che hanno versato i 30000 euro

[enjoyash]

forse ce l'hanno fatta

Codice: Seleziona tutto

After 10 days of delay, the list of 2012 MotoGP entries has finally been announced. Or rather, the list of entries under the CRT rules, as the new manufacturers (such as Norton) talking about entering the class on the same footing as the factory teams have yet to be announced, with talks ongoing between the FIM, Dorna, IRTA and the new manufacturers about who will be admitted and on what grounds.

The lack of manufacturers underlines the problems the 2012 entry process has created. The entry list was initially expected to be issued during the Barcelona Grand Prix weekend, but arguments over the claiming rule prevented the list from being finalized. With a number of potential entrants talking to Aprilia about leasing WSBK-spec RSV4 engines, the right of the manufacturers to claim an engine was hotly disputed, with an escape route being asked in such cases for the CRT teams to switch to factory status and lose the 3 extra liters of fuel and 3 extra engines they would be allowed under the CRT rules. 

The list announced include six Moto2 teams - BQR (Blusens), Forward, Viessmann Kiefer, Marc VDS, Paddock GP (Interwetten) and Speed Master - generally regarded as being among the best (and best-funded) in the paddock. Each team will be given a slot for one rider next year, though riders have not yet had to be entered. However, given the teams entered, we can take a guess at who will be riding a CRT bike in 2012. Here's the current best-effort guess at the CRT teams for 2012:

Team	Rider	Engine	Chassis
By Querosono Racing (BQR)	 Tito Rabat? 	 Kawasaki ZX-10R	 FTR?
Forward Racing	  	 BMW S1000RR?	 Suter?
Kiefer Racing	 Stefan Bradl?	 ?	 Kalex
Marc VDS Racing	  	 BMW S1000RR?	 Suter
Paddock GP Racing	 Thomas Luthi	 ?	 ?
Speed Master	 Andrea Iannone	 Aprilia RSV4?	 FTR?
Of the riders, only Thomas Luthi and Andrea Iannone are certain - or as certain as we can be at this stage in the game - and of the engines, the BMW and Aprilia are sure to feature, while sources close to BQR say that they will be building a bike around the Kawasaki ZX-10R engine, currently the class leader in horsepower, and with a longer stroke making for a more usable engine. Of the chassis manufacturers, FTR, Kalex and Suter are all known to be building chassis for the CRT teams, with Suter's effort the most public, while FTR is also working on Norton's MotoGP project. The Norton project is rumored to be stalled over internal company issues, which may explain why the new manufacturer entries have yet to be announced.

Questions remain over whether the CRT teams will be competitive. Though the teams will have access to nearly identical electronics systems to the factories - Magneti Marelli is perfectly happy to sell them their latest systems - the problem is the petabytes of data and years of experience the teams have in putting the electronics to use. As we saw recently, when Andrea Zugna and Cristian Battaglia defected from Yamaha to Honda, engineers who can get the best out of the electronics are both in very short supply and their market it price is rising rapidly. There are only a handful of people who understand both motorcycle racing and programming sufficiently enough to get the best out of the electronics systems currently in use in the paddock, and it will be hard for the CRT teams to compete against the factory set up. Opportunities to learn to use the electronics are similarly limited, given that the factories place their own engineers with the satellite teams, rather than allowing the satellite teams a chance to develop their own software and electronics packages. Even in the age of the CRT, electronics will continue to dominate.

Besides the CRT entries, all current MotoGP teams will be offered a slot on the 2012 grid as well, though rumors that the LCR Honda team could switch to become a CRT entry persist. Aspar is close to securing a deal to run two Ducati Desmosedicis for 2012 instead of just one, and strong and credible rumors continue that this will be the last year that Suzuki continues as a MotoGP manufacturer.

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Team Rider Engine Chassis
By Querosono Racing (BQR) Tito Rabat? Kawasaki ZX-10R FTR?
Forward Racing BMW S1000RR? Suter?
Kiefer Racing Stefan Bradl? ? Kalex
Marc VDS Racing BMW S1000RR? Suter
Paddock GP Racing Thomas Luthi ? ?
Speed Master Andrea Iannone Aprilia RSV4? FTR?